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EVENT open house by proposed wind project developer at Chamber of Commerce Winslow on 7/15/19
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Wind power promises clean free energy
Problem is it's not free at all. They use petroleum products, draw energy from the grid, are unreliable sources, are 100% dependent on fossil fuels and are paid for by you the taxpayer to make industrialists rich. Wind mills are a lot like politicians.
Chevelon Crossing Campground in Arizona Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest is close to newly proposed wind farm
What better way to absolutely destroy a pristine drive from I-40 to the Chevelon Crossing campground where a visit out here is like stepping back in time, virtually to pioneer days, than to add an ugly towering wind farm to the drive in. People want to get away from the city and industry not drive to it. We also want to really know that once we get to our camp we actually are far away from industry yet if the farm is built we would know it's just a mere few miles from where we camp thus changing the experience of camping completely. information on the campground can be seen here at the Forestry Service page
Chevelon Butte Arizona wind energy project would add 175 turbines to a pristine landscape
That is a lot of windmillls that would be added to a mostly pristine fantastic ranch land, open space, national forest recreation area and it would be forever changing it's beauty to one of yet another ugly industrialized place in America also adding light pollution and it would stretch about 12 miles wide. We do not need wind to save the planet as it does not even do that, it continues this massive push for endles industrialization and planned obsolescence that wastes more energy than just about anything. Will this project bring electricity to Chevelon Canyon Ranch residents homes and the other acreage between there and the forest? My first guess is it would not yet the residents out there and land owners of undeveloped acreage have no electricity out there at all. In researching this matter I came across a site https://windindustry.org which described the following "The electrical generation, transmission, and distribution system has been labeled the most complex machine ever created by humans." Typically the more complex things are in the physical world, the less energy efficient they are. Transferring electricity for one mile is many times more efficient than transferring it hundreds of miles. Will the homes nearby get any of this new "green energy" of which is always promoted as being energy efficient? Again, my guess is not and if not, how can one even begin to claim that wind power is efficient and oh so wonderful. All power genergated will be going directly into the high tension power lines that stretch through that area, lines that for decades have been inefficiently and efficiently bringing power from I guess a reliable nuclear power plant out to the east all the way to the big cities of Phoenix and Los Angeles. I believe the industrialized cities are the ones that will benefit from what ever energy is made when the wind blows. If so this really is not fair to a rural community to suffer irrepairable damage to landscape and viewscape. If they were to receive power poles with electricity installed to their properties, that might be a different story. Will this happen? view 1 view 2
Chevelon Butte wind project likely providing energy for California?
In reading a report by Eric Rosenbloom "A Problem With Wind Power" he points out what little electricity is generated by wind farming often gets sold at discounts for various reasons. The basic thought that it just enters the grid and it's there to use is not reality, there are flows of electricity to consider.
Wind-Watch.org pointed out to me that the for this Chevelon Butte wind project if it is built that the likely customer for the electricity is California. So for those who are negatively affected by this project who will receive no lease payment check every month but rather pay for the project with their taxes, who live in and around Chevelon Acres, Chevelon Canyon Ranch, and visit the Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest are who will be forced to look at these ugly things, deal with the noise, etc. none of them benefit at all.
Public Open House for Chevelon Butte Arizona wind project 7/15/19
Hosted by the Winslow Chamber of Commerce & Visitor Center I guess. I notice there is no mention of this on their public calendar online. It will be was said would happen on Monday, July 15, 2019 from 5:00 pm to 7:00 pm at the Winslow Chamber of Commerce & Visitor Center, 523 W. 2nd Street, Winslow, Arizona 86047. Does the Chamber support this project I wonder. I would guess they do.
On their site they present many of the wonderful attractions of the area stretching out for many miles from Old Route 66 in town to traveling Route 99 down into the Apache-Sitgreaves Forest and traveling through Forest Road 300 to enjoy the unspoiled beauty there. The drive down to the forest would if the Chevelon Butte wind project was built forever change to a drive to "get away from it all" to one of going to it all over again as this wind farm would traverse both sides of 99 for miles in both directions north west and south east. It would also be seen from the 87. From the map (see below) it shows 11 rows of these turbines would be there towering to the sky, painted white which stand out like a smashed thumb on the pristine landscape. At night the red flashing lights on top would be visible for miles around instead of soothing darkness that is truly healing for those who live in the cities filled with light everywhere.
Wind energy application for Chevelon Butte Arizona
SPower (Sustainable Power Group) wants to build a wind farm in one of the most light pollution free places in the entire 48 contigious United States I mean like it's NO LIGHT POLLUTION at all there. It's an area in Arizona about a 2.5 hour drive North East of Phoenix at an elevation of about 6,000 feet. It snows there in the winter but it's a great place to escape the city down below in the desert floor which gets up to 122 degrees in summer. I drove through there once many years ago and was mesmerized by the lack of artificial lighting which made the sky crystal clear which presented the most stunning array of the universe most people cannot even begin to imagine. I do not want to see wind farms there. If it was to succeed there would be no way to avoid the flashing red lights at night for miles and miles around.
This would forever destroy the viewscape.
The towers would block the distant views of the San Francisco peaks for many in Chevelon Canyon Ranch and Chevelon Acres areas.
I am against this project being built.
Here is a map of what is being proposed. The wind farm proposed would be at higher elevation than residential areas by 200 feet making these tower around 1000 feet over those who live just to the east or might live there some day just a couple of miles away as there also undeveloped acreage that ranges from one to 5 to ten to 20 to 40 acres nearby.
If you look at each of those squares they are 1 square mile. White is private land. It's about 14 miles long. They will surround Chevelon Butte almost full circle at 270 degrees leaving only one sliver exposed toward the forest. This part of Chevelon Butte is in the forest though it's not well treed there it's all open space with vistas for tens of miles. There will be so many points in this forest area that will then have views of a massive wind farm.
Monument Valley has 3 well known buttes.
Monument Valley, the buttes are clearly stratified, with three principal layers. The lowest layer is Organ Rock Formation-(skirts, slope-former), the middle De Chelly Sandstone-(vertical cliffs) and the top layer is Moenkopi Formation (shales?, horizontal bedding) capped by Shinarump siltstone-(Shinarump Conglomerate-(locally)). The 3 buttes lie in Arizona, adjacent the Utah border. The en:West and East Mitten Buttes (left & center) are about 1.5 miles (2 km) apart. Merrick Butte is at photo-right.
To the right side of Chevelon Butte there is a meandering canyon seasonal river called Chevelon Canyon. Homes start only a mile from there directly to the east closest to where these are proposed. The green shown on the map is all national forest. It's about a 17 mile drive out through the forest from main paved road in Heber or Winslow and about a 45 minute drive. It's a very special place. People come out this way to see the open space, get away from summer heat in the valley below in Phoenix, ride their ATV's, camp, fish in some of the pristine lakes where you have to walk in to so there's no cars anywhere in sight at the lake, and these windmills would be visible from many areas including if you are standing in many points where the Chevelon Canyon twists and turns as it makes it's way to the Little Colorado River. Quite a few properties in Chevelon Canyon Ranch back against the canyon. Visitors and owners of acreage there would then see these ugly monstrocities with flashing red lights all night long and bright white glaring towers with blades reaching almost 1000 feet over properties there. And of course as I and many have pointed out all over the internet and in public meetings, they are bird shredders, inefficient, DRAW POWER FROM THE GRIDS, and ugly to look at.
They are promoted heavily on television to so the many millions of people who routinely see industrailscapes everywhere they look but in the new millenium now with the push for more solar and wind energy, these are completely taking over the entire landscape. We cannot have the world be filled with nothing but industrialization. This has got to stop.
Devil's Tower is a famous butte as widely viewed in it's unspoiled beauty in the movie from the 1970's "Close Encounter of the Third Kind". Imagine putting a wind farm here.
Chevelon Butte is not movie star material exactly but it is beautiful and an awesome escape from the city. View images of it here. Putting 175 energy wasteful 100% oil dependent turbines on this land would destroy it and the beauty there for many miles all around. Here is a 4x4 group that went camping out that way.
Are we on the right path?
One of the best points I have read recently is about how even if these were to provide "clean reliable cheap free energy" as is incessantly promoted that very fact would cause even more energy to be used and more and more of these wind farms and solar farms to eat up our landscapes everywhere. Imagine the fantasy is real these are clean and provide free energy we would have to cover the Earth with these to maintain what we have now with "fossil fuels" of which there is an endless supply of in the Earth as they are replenished continually with all the processes going on below the surface - think lava and it's heat and what it does to minerals below - these fuels are carbon based and carbon is the building block of life which is currently being bastardized as being "dirty". In reality it's a lot like how going to the beach in the 1800's without covering up completely was "dirty". Carbon is a natural mineral that without it we don't have life. It's not bad and it doesn't form blankets in the sky.
What in the universe are we doing. Do we really think that wind farming is good for us? In the last 20 years suddenly we can't go anywhere without seeing these ugly wind farms. A drive that decades ago was so pleasant, freeing us from the stresses of every day life, is now met with a drive through "mine fields" of monstrous towering fan blades on a stick. It's not relaxing now to drive through those places. It's not relaxing to even live under them. Already in Arizona to get away from it all we had to drive over 2 hours out of Phoenix to get out here to this wonderful area free of industry. Now will we have to drive further and go to the eastern edge of the Grand Canyon?
That uses more energy. Or shall we sit home and take tranquilizers. That also uses energy.
It's easy to think that wind is good if you watch TV, read Yahoo! news, and all the liberal clean energy sources who I can pretty much guarantee do not live next to these farms or see them destroy their views, that's what they want you to think, but remember one thing, all of these farms support industrialists in the biggest way. That's Wall Street. That's portfolios and some pension plans. I guess if you benefit from these you would love them but in reality for most wind farms are just an expense as you pay for these in your taxes you get very little back. They don't go up in value over time. They use energy. The sell energy off cheap as the system of delivery is inefficient. Even a car is a better investment as it gets you places.
Wealthy investors in China, Japan, Europe, everywhere but the moon invest in things that make them money. Industrialists love wind, solar, oil, gas, all of it because all of it serves them. They are the owners of all of these projects. Most of us just get a rock like Charlie Brown did on Halloween.*** We don't get paid. We lose pristine views. We cry for the birds that are chopped up who would have eaten mosquitoes that now end up in our yards and now without those natural predators have to feed the industrial complex yet again buying fossil fuel based insecticides. When does this end? As soon as we stop it.
Project details at ChevelonButteWind.com
***saw a cute image of Charlie Brown all tangled up with his kite and string in the blades he was hanging upside down, I had not even thought about all the kite flying space lost. If you live out there and tell your kid "Go fly a kite" you better tell them to sit and watch a movie on a device instead. Kite space is being eaten up by monster green thing energy.
More about the location and many acres that would be leased
There are areas of Desert Hot Springs in California where I live and see these wind farms located in what used to be open space that are now off limits and fenced, with warning signs everywhere. Changes the feel completely. I cannot imagine those in Arizona who live in that area, around it, and even in the big city of Phoenix wanting thousands of acres changed this way. I counted 48 square miles covered in them. Each square mile contains 640 acres.
That's a wind farm covering 30,720 acres.
The land is owned by the O'Haco Cattle Company and other parts of it are Arizona State Trust land. The private land would be leased from the private owner for this massive wind farming project that would forever destroy the viewscape surrounding Chevelon Canyon Butte. The owners have allowed access for recreation for years according to Arizona Game & Fish but will this continue and if so who would want to have access or drive through it on the main roads as it certainly would be less interesting to drive. I suppose like in Palm Springs it becomes a point of facination to a degree drawing out some just to see them as they are magnificent engineering feats but when you take away the fantasy of how "good they are" and realize how they are harming the planet, eating up so many acres of open space and usable land, that when you see them in that light you see more than just viewscape monsters you see all of the energy producing flaws and costs that you and I pay for making others very well off while many of us still struggle to pay the electric bill that keeps going up. It takes a lot of energy for us to produce the funds we give wind farm companies in the taxes we pay. We really do not benefit from these projects, we feed them and they consume us.
Here is a map of the O'Haco Cattle Company land.
I understand there is also Chevelon Canyon Cattle Company.
Michael O'Haco (brother of Jim O'Haco) was featured for an artistic photo shoot that has been in museums of life as a cattle rancher and his story was presented here. I and many have dreamed of living that life. He was born into that and explains that it was a very difficult struggle with droughts and all the perils of ranching. Many of us can relate to our own struggles in city and suburban life although different they are the same and one of the things we all hope and dream of is living a peaceful life free of towers with blades on them in our little slices of heaven. There is a book about ranching life by Scott T. Baxter called "100 Years 100 Ranchers" that contains a photo and expose of these fanstasic ranchers who are as American as apple pie and Betsy Ross flags and symbols of life in the United States.
In 2017 the company was chosen of 6 honorees for environmental stewardship and it's said on that site that the cattle company started way back "Founded in 1898, the Jim O'Haco Cattle Company is named for the distinctive landmark which dominates the skyline". That landmark is this Chevelon Butte which if this project is approved would be marred forever, changed into a distinctive ugly landmark like those above Palm Springs in Riverside County and in Desert Hot Springs. Life does go on around these but it's not the same. It was at one time so stunning out there. Now even Desert Hot Springs is adding massive pot farms with huge industrial buildings blocking views and the smell is awful. Detroit used to look stunning to the Indiginous Peoples, that look certainly changed where the auto industry left it's litter. Are we going to continue this to the entire world? Chevelon Butte and the surrounding areas is a fantastic unspoiled place currently rich with both Indigineous Peoples writings, artifacts, and pioneers old homesteads, wildlife, elk, deer, birds, bats, canyons and so much open unspoiled space and speaking of space it's one of the extremely rare places in the entire 48 states the view of the trillions of zillions of stars in the sky can be seen and it will make your jaw drop if you ever see them out there unspoiled by light pollution out there. Even in Palm Springs you can't see what's out there. There is so much light pollution now everywhere our new generations don't even have a clue. Industrialists have a tendency to come in and wreck things then go on their merry way with gobs of money in the bank to do it elsewhere. Wind farms from 20 and 30 years ago have been abandoned to rot like every other industry leaves it waste behind. I cannot support this project. We see wind farms taking over too many places wrecking natural beauty.
Here is a snapshot in a DuckDuckGo.com search about the ranch being a place for birds.
This is troubling to see this, do they not know wind energy kills birds? Of course they do as well as the project developer S Power.
And that award about environmental stewardship, well when we examine how destructive to the environment this project is, I'm sorry, I say recind that award...on the other hand we have to be fair, it was for what the owners have done in the past, they fed cows, were good with their land, managed water resources, fed birds even as I am sure all country folk have bird feeders it's a staple, and many great things. Would there be any new awards of such stewardship?
Seems to me the ranch is absolutely perfect the way it is and being run by nice people hard workers as American as they get yet there could be things like retirement and family that are weighing more heavy and the land lease is likely so valuable I would guess they would be able to live the life of many dreams if approved. I am sure they deserve it but the rest of us would have our dreams slashed by wind mill blades every day we saw them towering over our little ranches and blocking expansive views. The San Francisco peaks will be viewed by many with turbines in the way.
A land lease for windmills can fetch 2 to 5 dollars for each acre for the first 5 years, then there's an overlapping additional longer term contract 20 to 25 years with adjustments for inflation. Since wind energy is inefficient and the power generated is often sold at discounts you and I are paying for this in the name of "saving the planet" which uses energy to support this and if these promises of a cleaner future are not what they say, then what are we doing? It would be healther for the planet and save our cities and coastlines then to go on energy diets. Start with washing clothes by hand. Who will do this?
Coal is more efficient and lest costly and doesn't kill birds and destroy vast viewscapes with monstrous towers, reliable, not-intermittent. Go with that. Learn how coal is not the monster we thought. We already have so many areas already marred by coal but that damage is minimal compared and why mess up more pristine land.
To further try to get a grasp at how much the company that owns this land might make it was stated that "a farmer would earn $10,000 from a two-megawatt turbine with a $5,000 per megawatt per year payment". Wow $5,000 a year for one turbine for 20 or 25 years. This farm would have 175 turbines. That comes to possibly an income of $875,000 per year. OMG. Who wouldn't give up farming for that. The problem for me and for all of us who are paying attention is that loss of yet more beautiful landscape that was gorgeous ranch country where this ranching family of generations worked and played as have others is that you and I are helping pay for it's destruction by wind turbines as they use our taxes for their energy to be built and run while wind energy has become well proven to not be what it was promised it would be while such projects negatively affect other property owners.
Here is a great story about the ranch's history where "from 1910 to 1918, Michel, a member of the Arizona Woolgrowers Association began to buy land around Chevelon Butte". An interesting point made about land ownership and the Alien Land Act of 1921 did not allow anyone who did not qualify for citizenship to buy land and that over time the lack of a constant water supply caused the partnership that formed to "give up" over time. Such reliable water supplies are only miles away couldn't water be piped in? We pipe oil in from Alaska thousands of miles away, this would only require piping in of water 30 miles. Instead of subsidizing all these wind farms why don't we pump money into water for such areas and create lots of small mini ranches, create jobs in Winslow, etc. We has such a huge homeless problem yet we have so much land why can't we as a nation solve these problems, wind is not going to solve any of it.
The article points out it was 32 miles to town and a 3 hour drive back then. It's not all that quicker today to get to town from the Chevelon Canyon Ranch areas to the east of the canyon, it takes almost an hour to go 20 miles. If wind farming came in how about subsidizing new roads, water, electricity as a carbon offset so to speak. Go Trump. Prioritize. Prosperity and decent living could come there though the area would change but it would at least be an offset, if you are going to industrialize a pristine area, well then at least have it so people can also live around it.
It's also interesting to note mention of a flood in 1978 that the Little Colorado River there flooded. It happened again in 1980. Then again in 1993.
Today that would be blamed on the fantasy called climate change where as certain groups try to sell us wind energy as a solution.
According to the article written by Barbara Arthur in 2012 after these flooding events and rebuilding of the ranch each time they did not run the ranch with the same amount of energy as prior, stating "The family continues to improve the ranch, and created a partnership with the Arizona State Land De-partment, U.S. Forest Service, Arizona Game and Fish, and the Natural Resource Conservation Service. Jim received the 2009 Wildlife Habitat Steward Award for his exemplary work."
Of course since 2012 wind has blown in which could now provide millions of dollars to the family. Hard to pass that up. Would you?
Construction will create dust downwind for residents of Chevelon Canyon Ranch
The same thing will happen to them as what happened to wool farmers if these things blow in. "Every one of the 140 turbines has a base of around 300-400 m³ of steel-reinforced concrete. That concrete requires crushed rock as the aggregate (crushed rock is also used as road base). That aggregate was generated on-site using giant rock crushers, which resulted in a constant dust storm that spewed over the Gardner's property for months."
Chevelon Butte used as a forest lookout
In 2013 it was big local news that a telephone line was being connected. If the industrialists have their way it would be also used as a look out over the massive wind farm when viewing in about 250 degrees of direction all around. If I was up there looking I would wonder "How do we stop these things?" Turns out many communities are stopping them. Lawsuits are even being filed for damages.
I found this information on a site about forest lookouts:
June 6, 1913: On the Sitgreaves National Forest, the headquarters of which are at Snowflake, over $6,000 has been expended, largely for the purpose of connecting ranger stations and lookout points with the Supervisor's office, in order to afford communication in case of fire. Work is being commenced on a tower just south of Winslow on Chevelon Butte lookout has been connected by telephone. (The Holbrook News)
Shadow flicker is horrendous with these wind mills
To those who watch TV and see lofty images of a world filled with wind energy production it all looks so fantastical magical wonderfully terrific. When you live near these monsters you see that dream become Hell which is what these are, they are Hell on Earth. These monsterous blades that stretch upwards of 755 feet high above the ground cast shadows when they are spinning that are disorienting, nauseating, unnerving, distracting, and unlike anything ever created in the industrial revolution. Skyscrapers cast shadows that move ever so slowly, so slowly you barely notice the movement. This kind of huge shadow is not disorienting but for a tiny amount if you are driving from bright sunlit ground to shadow cast ground. Now imagine 3 of those spinning at about 78 RPM. When you are driving and these shadows move across the entire road you have trouble focusing directly ahead. They feel like there is ominous moving monsterous something you don't know what is surrounding your car. You look into the distance and see this swooping shadow repeated from the various wind turbine towers.
Another problem with the wind push
Coal plants close in North East Arizona's rural Navajo County sending funding for public safety in a downward spiral.Reality Check: Chaotically Intermittent Wind & Solar No Substitute for Ever-Reliable Coal-Fired Power
There is a proposition for voters to add more taxes so they can create a "sustainable funding source for public safety by sending the formation of a Jail District to voters in August". They had a sustainable funding source it was coal but because of the lies spread about coal and the climate cult savior wind and solar, another 100% dependent on fossil fuel product, and the lies about carbon air blankets keeping everyone warm at night we have these absurd closures of sustainable energy. Apparently wind energy blowing in will not fix this loss of sustainability. How odd.
On the county website it mentions "The Navajo Generating Station and Kayenta Mine are expected to close in 2019, and the Cholla Power Plant in Joseph City is mandated by law to be closed by 2025". By law they are closing sustainable energy. Where does this money then come from? We have to work and use energy to make that extra money again by using less efficient higher cost wind and solar? Will it grow on sustainable trees?
You will provide it, another tax.
How will this extra tax energy be picked from the trees without efficient sustainable coal?
Vote no on this tax. Bring back coal for a brighter future and REAL SUSTAINABILITY not this fake stuff, not added taxes that require you use more energy to create, you are being billed once for wind subsidies in your taxes then again for a tax to make your security services sustainable all because of "sustainable" renewable energy con games. Make your public officials reinstate sustainable coal.
Why were the windmills not spinning on a windy day?
Wind energy is CHAOTICALLY INTERMITTENT. Not just intermittent. It's not reliable.
It was a very windy dirty dusty day here in Desert Hot Springs and the Coachella Valley on June 21, 2019 the longest day of the year - also becoming known as Desert Pot Springs for all the pot farms popping up since the legalization of marijuana which some there made a fortune on owning industrial lots prior to the sudden boom then selling for a million dollars - where we and the city of Palm Springs next door have hundreds to thousands of those windmills producing all that fantasy "clean energy", problem is, today only about 18% of them were spinning.
The majority were sitting there not moving yet the wind was pretty strong, even fierce at times. What's up with that? It's the best day of the year to produce "clean energy". Imagine seeing most of these just sitting still on a windy day. This also shows basically how bad the landscape looks with wind farm and with them painted white stand out on a sunny day but in this image we are looking from higher ground down, most land owners would be looking up 200 feet to the ones that would be at Chevelon Butte.
Putting on the brakes
On a very windy day at certain wind speeds they put on the brakes, if they did not, the turbine blades would spin so fast they would shake and explode. This uses energy from the grid. Hydraulics that use motors push fluids to the brake mechanisms, and guess what makes the motors work, electricity. This electricity comes from the electric grid that relies on reliable coal, fossil fuels, and natural gas. Interestingly enough to the very left of this photo is the Peaker Power Plant which was built in the last ten years to supply this reliable electricity for the entire Coachella Valley here which uses natural gas as it's sustainable fuel source. It was imperative this plant be built due to massive load demands on the grid during summer heat that can reach 122 degrees in this very populated region.
The braking of wind blades does not come from the turbines themselves it comes from the grid. The braking pressure to stop these blades from spinning too fast that they would explode uses electricity from the grid and that is coming from fossil fuels. They are activated remotely and monitored which of course requires reliable sustainable fossil fuel energies.
These are very complex systems. Ironically at times when the wind is blowing and you would think they should be producing electricity using electricity from the gas plant that is burning fuel down the street right there down a few hundred feet or so.
These "clean energy" windmills draw power from fossil fuel power plants on a regular basis by design.
You see windmill "clean energy" is pretty much a big lie. They kill birds, and use fossil fuels to make "clean energy". I hear people talk all the time about how great these things are for the planet. In the desert here they stop their cars to take pictures, mesmerized by their "beauty" and magnificence as they are very tall structures.
Maybe I am in one of those pictures as I have stopped too to look at the the windmills, the dust storms, the viewscapes, and the picture takers and then I laugh - they don't understand.
Water vapor is a greenhouse gas too that some say has to be addressed
I was amazed when I read the following quote from MIT Faculty Newsletter on climate change:
"Cleaning carbon dioxide (and other greenhouse gases such as water vapor) from the Earth's current atmosphere is not one of my fields of expertise, but greatly reducing the rate at which we increase it is clearly a good idea. " - William Schriber 
We are bombarded with so much information from people who are not even experts who make all sorts of claims or go along and repeat other's claims now we seem to have lost sense of basic logic. I don't think we have to clean water vapor from the atmosphere. Since water vapor is like a trillion billion times more prevalent in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide, we have a serious problem if we are led to believe that we have to clean up water from the air and such concepts can actually drive someone insane as they worried about water vapor being a greenhouse gas that is evil as greenhouse gasses have been portrayed now for so long. Maybe this is exactly what is happening so people who keep pushing this climate agenda in lawmaking. Relax, take a deep breath, exhale, oh wait, that's filled with carbon dioxide and water. Sit and have a bubbly water and relax, no wait, that released 100,000 times more carbon dioxide than water, what do you think the bubbles are made of? So if you want to believe this nonsense that we have to also be concerned about how much water vapor there is you can. I will relax and take more deep breaths and exhale my worries about climate away giving it to Mom Nature to handle as she always has effectively and always will no matter what tiny miniscule blips we create to change it.
In looking into this further a scientist pointed out how this water vapor is THE PRIMARY CAUSE of climate change. Wow. Time to stop evaporation. Fill in the oceans. That is what hucksters and politicians will get us to believe if they could so they could tax you and send money where they like, which usually ends up in their hands. Water vapor is THE CAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE. Get over it. Live your life you can burn all the carbon on Earth and still not make a dent in water vapor and it's effects that have been with us before we were us. I believe someone found some writings from dinosaurs talking about climate change and it's effects. See where that got them. This whole climate hysteria has become a dinosaur. Even medias are starting to back away from promoting it as the public is becoming wise to the game.
Another rich billionaire is rich because of petroleum
This time it's a Democrat presidential candidate who is all gung ho against carbon yet that is exactly what made him a billionaire and will keep him a billionaire or make him a trillionaire. One doesn't get rich without fossil fuels and so called "dirty energy" and they are not going to stay rich without fossil fuels, thus all of those new millennials who have become very rich these days and the Democrat party as a whole has become basically a religious cult as it trys to control Mother Nature as we are seeing every one of them push the "green" agenda as they all use more energy than the founders of the country did, their grandparents did, and even their parents. The problem with "green energy" is it all is dependent on petroleum unless when you mean "green" you mean doing everything by hand. Everything "green" uses plastic as well which is all made from petroleum. The reality is we do not need windmills and solar to "solve the problem" as they actually are creating bigger problems. Actually the more people promote all this clean energy nonsense the more TV they watch, the more internet they use, energy use just grows and grows and grows. Godzilla kinda comes to mind! Before you know it we have landfills piled sky high with computers and AOL floppy disks (remember those) and viewscapes that only these filthy rich zillionaires can afford who all made and maintain their wealth due to the burning of fossil fuels.
Deal includes "clean energy" that is 100% dependent on fossil fuels
Shattered heat record for Alaska does not prove global warming without equal and opposite cooling is real
The headlines highlighted the record high temperature of "all time" for Alaska in summer thus adding fodder to the rediculous climate change global warming claims but the fact is that official records there only date back to the 1960's and this year is much cooler in areas like Palm Springs and the Mojave Desert.
Solar reflection pollution
The other day I drove down a road in the desert that has nothing but open desert views and noticed a small building which is some kind of utility building for something and it has a solar panel on the top of a pole. I have seen this before but today the sun was closer to setting and the angle was just right that the reflection was distracting, noticable, and very annoying. This was just on one panel. Thing I noticed is that it's actually destroyed the viewscape there, just that one panel at certain times of the day has become quite a serious distraction when driving. Think when you are driving and you are behind a car where the angle of the sun is bouncing off the back window of the car ahead of you right into your eyes and no matter what you do that glare is in your face until you turn off the road, it's pretty much like that for a while when driving past it. If it was just in the right spot it could be glaring for quite sometime as you are driving up to it. I find this to be a problem for safety and a problem with aesthetics. We are destroying our landscapes with this erroneously labled "clean energy" crap.
California has mandated all new homes to have these solar panels to "save the planet" from ourselves which of course are made out of the very thing they hate. They are not made of green tea leaves as the marketing term "green energy" implies, they are made of plastic and plastic comes from oil. There are installations here that have many as power generating facilities. I am very concerned about the beauty of the desert and these are starting to destroy it in a whole new way that telephone poles, transmission lines, and wind turbines towering into the sky with their massive blades have ever done because they all do not reflect like a mirror.
The other thing that occured to me as I started thinking about this, these solar panel farms especially do not let the earth absorb the heat. This causes climate change. The Earth is a mass that can slowly absorb and slowly release heat thus allowing the frigid temperatures that surround the entire Earth from space to enter our atmosphere and provide cooling. Now with solar faming which is supposed to help stop climate change it's causing it. The heat is more immediately absorbed, released, and reflected right into the air.
If there are so called "carbon blankets" up there in the sky and they trap the heat below them, solar is not helping. These solar panels are basically all black. Black absorbs heat more than any color. White reflects it. Solar panels absorb the heat from the radiation thus creating heat that if these were white would not do. They cause climate change. Back to the drawing board. Ban washers and dryers if you want to stop the planet from heating up. Better yet, ban television, ban our streaming box for TV and movies, how much heat do all our devices produce? An awful lot. Look at the wattage ratings of your TV and computers.
And why is no one talking about all the heat generators of electricity produce? That wind turbine also generates heat. It uses oil, produces heat, omg what are we doing here? Then when we power our appliances with "green tea" energy they all produce HEAT. Oh but they will say in defense that less carbon dioxide will be in the air so it can escape and be cooled by the 456 below zero space of the entire uinverse surrounding out dot called Earth. Thing that's wrong with this whole claim is there are no carbon blankets up there holding heat. It's air. Air moves. Blankets made of solid materials trap air. There are no blankets with fibers to trap the air up there. If you have any you caught on a flight across country please send them to me so I can give them to all the new hoards of homeless appearing in our big cities for coming winter.
With that concern in mind as winter will be upon us again with massive cooling effects I must ask all who are concerned about climate change to please send me your carbon blankets so I may donate them to the poor carbon blanketless people to stay warm this winter.
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